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Hunting threatens the other Amazon: where harpy eagles are common and jaguars easy to spot, an interview with Paul Rosolie Jeremy Hance mongabay.com August 05, 2010
"Truly pristine sections of forest in Amazonia are free from any sign of human activity—zero annual river traffic, no trails, trash, chemical pollution, and no machete marks or chopped trees," Rosolie told mongabay.com in a recent interview. In such places, Rosolie has observed that usually elusive animals behave quite differently.
Rosolie says that in Peru, logging, oil, and gold have opened up most of the once wild areas. In addition, some indigenous people and other Amazonian inhabitants are over-hunting to fill a growing market for 'bushmeat' and to sell foreigners trinkets made from killed animals. "Roads give people access to forests which they then begin to settle, clear, hunt, and log. In the Amazon, thousands of tiny tributaries act as roads, allowing human access. Because of this, humans have gained access into even the most insanely isolated areas of the map," says Rosolie. "This is why a scientist looking for truly pristine area of forest would have to sometimes travel for weeks up a river to reach places where humans do not go. Because of this I feel that the baseline for pristine has become diluted, and we are in danger of forgetting where it really lies." Rosolie has recently begun carrying a video camera with him during his forays into the deepest jungle areas. In hopes that the resulting footage will help him bring greater awareness to these places and conserve them, he has started the Junglekeeper Project. Already he has succeeded in capturing what may be the longest video ever recorded of the Amazon's least known predator: the short-eared dog (the video is not yet released, but a still from it is at the end of the interview). According to Rosolie, given that truly wild ecosystems have vanished across much of the world, we have forgotten what natural abundance and natural behavior—especially for targeted species—actually is. Even a place as remote and romantic as the Amazon is in danger of being overridden by human impacts. "I think we need to develop a new classification for forests that have had NO human activities and where the ecological processes are NOT AT ALL disturbed. Having this classification would help us to identify, discuss, and protect remaining areas of truly pristine, ancient forest," says Rosolie adding that "in megadiverse regions like the Amazon, the Congo, New Guinea, Indonesia and others, being able to distinguish between primary and secondary forest as well as those few remaining places that have escaped all human influence could be a tremendous asset to conservation." In the interview that follows Rosolie describes his own experiences on a particularly remote and pristine river. It was on this river that Rosolie was once awoken by a jaguar next to him, but it also on this river he learned first hand how quickly an ecosystem can change when poachers arrive. In an August 2010 interview with mongabay.com, Paul Rosolie talks about what the pristine Amazonian river looks like and what is threatening even the world's most remote places. AN INTERVIEW WITH PAUL ROSOLIE Mongabay: What is your background? What are your credentials regarding wildlife in the Amazon? Paul Rosolie: I have a BA in environmental studies, and five years research and exploration experience in the Peruvian Amazon. Since the age of eighteen I have worked as a recruiter, expedition leader, and guide for Tamandua Expeditions in the Madre de Dios.
Paul Rosolie: I do. As human development continues to blanket the Earth, wild places become less wild and cultural diversity is being bleached by globalization. We are most likely one of the last generations to have the opportunity to truly explore. Because of this I take exploration very seriously. In the Amazon, there are some rivers which are so wild and remote that no one has ever seen the source. These are the places I want to see. There is no telling what new species might be found there. Maybe the last population giant ground sloth is still out there somewhere. HUNTING IN THE AMAZON Mongabay: In your experience how has hunting impacted even some of the wildest areas of the Amazon? Paul Rosolie: The demand for mahogany, gold, and oil has fueled exploration into virtually every corner of the map. These teams of men hunt anything and everything they can find while out in the bush—which can sometimes be for periods exceeding two months. This ends up affecting animal populations and behavior over large areas—making them less wild. Mongabay: What species are directly targeted? Paul Rosolie: Usually mammal species like peccary and tapir are targeted for meat along with capybara, agouti, paca, armadillo, numerous fish species, Spix’s guan, yellow footed tortoise, and many others. Jaguars, ocelots, anacondas, and black caiman are persecuted for their hides. Macaws are killed for their feathers, or captured for the pet trade. Mongabay: How does hunting change the Amazon’s animals’ behavior? Paul Rosolie: Species are forced to become more cryptic in order to survive. On truly wild rivers it is possible to see species such as capybara, tapir, peccary, black caiman, anaconda, and even jaguar out in broad daylight. However the arrival of humans rapidly changes this. Capybara spend less time frolicking in the water, spix’s guans learn not to trumpet when they fly, peccary become more silent, and jaguar become almost entirely nocturnal. These, of course, are just a few very broad examples—but illustrate the drastic behavioral (and subsequent ecological) changes that can take place because of even a small amount of human hunters. Animals are much smarter than most people give them credit for. Big cats don’t just learn to hunt out of instinct, they are taught to stalk and kill just as giant anteaters learn to open ant mounds—they are taught by mom. Mongabay: Which species are you most worried about?
Mongabay: Why should we be concerned about losing a percentage of the Amazon’s top predators? In other words, why do they matter? Paul Rosolie: Apex predators are indicators of ecosystem health and exert a profound influence on their surrounding species. One of the greatest illustrations of this is the drastic changes that took place in Yellowstone National Park after the reintroduction of the grey wolf; and in tropical ecosystems the trophic ecology is even more complex. If we want the forests of the Amazon to continue to exist in their natural health, the presence of top predators is crucial. It is also worthy of note that apex predators have a tremendous tourism value. People want to see the big exciting species. This is a point that should not be overlooked given that many conservation efforts today rely solely on funding from tourism as their hope for success. STILL PRISTINE Mongabay: What does the definition of primary forest mean? What do you think that definition is missing? Paul Rosolie: Primary forest is defined as "forests of native tree species, where there are no clearly visible indications of human activities and the ecological processes are not significantly disturbed". But I think we need to develop a new classification for forests that have had NO human activities and where the ecological processes are NOT AT ALL disturbed. Having this classification would help us to identify, discuss, and protect remaining areas of truly pristine, ancient forest. In megadiverse regions like the Amazon, the Congo, New Guinea, Indonesia and others, being able to distinguish between primary and secondary forest as well as those few remaining places that have escaped all human influence could be a tremendous asset to conservation.
Paul Rosolie: Truly pristine sections of forest in Amazonia are free from any sign of human activity—zero annual river traffic, no trails, trash, chemical pollution, and no machete marks or chopped trees. I usually look for indicator species which are absent or less abundant in human affected areas. Mahogany is a big one, the tree species has been largely eradicated by consumer demand in many areas, so its presence is a good place to start. Other indicators are signs and sightings of tapir, jaguar, pale winged trumpeters, large groups of peccary, Spix’s guan, black caiman, and a number of others. You can even use the animal behavior itself to indicate whether humans are present in the area. Much like the world famous Galapagos Islands, animals in truly isolated jungle have no fear of humans. Large herds of peccary are loud and aggressive—the way they should be. The crepuscular habits of the jaguar usually bring it to river’s edge to bask at dawn and dusk. Towering old growth trees surround frequent sightings of giant anteaters, red howler monkeys, macaws, toucans, spider monkeys, capybara, anacondas, tyra, brocket deer, giant armadillo, giant river otter, blue morpho butterflies, the massive black caiman and hundreds of other organisms—it is the most incredible thing on Earth. Mongabay: Most people who visit the Amazon never see a jaguar, anaconda, harpy eagle, or tapir. What is viewing wildlife like in an untouched section of the Amazon, versus the more well-trodden places. Paul Rosolie: Well for one thing it’s much easier! When animals aren’t afraid of humans, they are MUCH easier to see. Monkeys and macaws will venture lower in the canopy, offering better sightings, and animals in general are less concerned with our presence. It becomes possible to watch a tapir graze and bath by the riverside, observe a fifteen foot female anaconda enjoying the sun, or see a family of otters playing in an oxbow. Rainforest lodges and resorts host millions of tourists per year who miss out on seeing so many incredible species. As expedition leader, I bring groups to "primary" and secondary forests that sometimes don’t see all that much wildlife—and it kills me. If pristine areas were more abundant, and as a result more accessible, tourism would benefit tremendously and in turn benefit the conservation of the forests tremendously. Mongabay: Would you say we have a ‘shifting baselines’ problem even in a place as wild and remote as the Amazon?
Mongabay: Do you believe that even scientists have a mistaken view of the wildlife in the Amazon? Paul Rosolie: I certainly fear it. Not because of any incompetence or fault of their own, but because of how difficult it is to find un-impacted forest/rivers. Finding untouched areas has been my passion for quite some time, and even I have never found a place that is 100% pristine. Even after traveling upriver for almost a week on remote rivers to places where the animal populations seem almost at their peak, you almost always will spot some tiny indication that humans have been through at some point—a coke bottle, an empty rifle shell, or a machete mark on a tree. THE 'ALLEGRIA’ RIVER' Mongabay: Can you tell us about the 'Allegria River'? [Note from Rosolie: . *The name Allegria is actually a pseudonym I am using to protect the true identity of the river, myself, and the study which I am building.]
Over the past three years, on several week-long visits, I have been conducting a biodiversity survey which has yielded incredible numbers. Of 125 beaches observed in different years and at different times of the year, every single one has held between one and three sets of jaguar tracks, and between two and four sets of tapir tracks, as well as regular sightings of the latter. Along with these are constant evidence and sightings of capybara, black caiman, anaconda, giant river otter, tyra, peccary, monkeys, and more. The river has clay licks that are habitat for four species of macaw, and even harpy eagles are abundant to the extent of almost being common. It is paradise. Its source is so isolated and remote that un-contacted tribes still inhabit the forest there—in the dry season it is possible to see the footprints and excavated turtle nests they leave behind. Recently however there has been an influx of hunting on the Allegria that is changing this wild river and threatening its ability to provide sanctuary for endangered species, and isolated cultures Mongabay: How do you reach this river? Paul Rosolie: Because it lies inside of the national park, there is a guard station at the mouth of the river which allows only people of indigenous heritage through. So sometimes my native friends can sneak me through on their boat, but other times I have to go solo, and that is a different story. The only way to reach the Allegria is to get dressed like a local, and board a once-per week indigenous taxi that travels far up a large river. After eight or nine hours travel into the jungle when we are upriver of the guard station and the mouth of the Allegria, I get off. Then starts an expedition through un-trailed jungle that has sometimes taken hours, and other times days. My first solo expedition in the Amazon was a journey to the Allegria, and the first night I slept in the forest alone, a jaguar woke me during the night. I woke up in my hammock to the sound of breathing, and when I tried to turn on my headlamp was paralyzed by a warning growl which came from two inches away from my right temple. She left soon after without making a sound—but it was one of the most incredible experiences of my life—and a perfect example of the adventure that comes with wild places—that cat had NO fear of humans, not one bit. Mongabay: How does the Allegria River serve as an example of the impact of hunting on wild populations in the Amazon? Paul Rosolie: It opened my eyes to the substantial effects which even a small amount of human activity can have on a natural area. There has been a noticeable decline on the river in just the limited time I have observed it. Locals recall the days when jaguars could still be seen on the Allegria’s beaches basking in the sun, free from fear and at the top of their food chain. Today jaguars can no longer be seen basking on the banks of the Rio Allegria. They are still there certainly, but have become increasingly cryptic. Tapirs too have become scarcer along with black caiman, capybara, and even anaconda—a species which the river has been notoriously rich with in the past. Mongabay: Who is doing the hunting?
Mongabay: Shouldn’t indigenous communities have the right to hunt for food as they have for millennia? Paul Rosolie: Yes. However, in the case of the Allegria we are dealing with lands which are supposed to be protected by the national park, and these people are not hunting for subsistence. Today many indigenous people are in a period of simultaneity. They no longer rely on the forest for survival in the hunter-gatherer sense of the word. These are people who have jobs, motorbikes, guns, and who make money. They are also people who have already emptied their own forests of viable populations of game species. Many of the hunters accessing the Allegria today, a river inside of a national park, are not hunting for their own families, but for profit—and it’s easy to prove. The 120 Peruvian soles in gasoline required to fuel the eight hour boat ride to the Rio Allegria could be spent on a month’s worth of rice and chicken in town. But hunting wild game is good profit, and more fun. They are exploiting a rule of the park that was made to accommodate and respect their way of life, and have become nothing more than poachers. I have seen hunters return from the Allegria with as many as eight peccary carcasses at a time. I have seen macaws shot for their feathers, black caiman hides stowed in the bottom of boats along with piles of yellow footed tortoises, mass quantities of fish, and it is getting worse. I once watched a man shoot a monkey because he was bored and wanted to fish for piranha. As a result of the motors and guns and other human activity, I have seen a noticeable change in the Rio Allegria over the past three years. Mongabay: Who buys the wild game meat and other animal parts? Paul Rosolie: Meat from peccary and tapir make their way into local markets. So too do feathers, hides and captive animals which satisfies the demands of foreigners. Mongabay: Do you think park managers are aware of what’s going on inside the park? Paul Rosolie: Because I am not actually allowed to be on the Allegria, it makes asking questions and showing study results difficult. However I don’t think that the park managers are aware of what is happening—or at least aware of the changes it is causing. This is why I am hoping to use documentary footage and study results to bring attention to the problem, and hopefully stay out of trouble. OTHER PROJECTS Mongabay: You’ve started a new initiative called the Junglekeeper Project. Will you tell us about this?
The Junglekeeper Project is nothing more than my plan to take a camera into some of the wild places that will be destroyed by these projects and show people what we are about to lose. I want to interview the native peoples who will be displaced by dams, show the pristine rivers which are at risk from oils spills, and hopefully make enough noise to cause some change and save the region. Best case scenario if it works, it can then be duplicated in other parts of the world. In order for our grandchildren to have an Amazon Jungle, or polar bears, or wild tigers, everyone needs to become involved in conservation—not just conservationists. And I think I have an idea of how to make it happen. Mongabay: On your most recent trip to Peru you began filming wildlife and the region. What are you hopes for this footage? Paul Rosolie: This footage is the beginning of the Junglekeeper Project. The plan is basically to put together a sort of resume piece that could be used to attract the funding and media attention needed to get the Junglekeeper Project rolling full steam. In order to be effective, the message needs to reach millions of people and arm them with the knowledge they need to join in—and it needs to happen fast! I am hopeful however because the Amazon is a beautiful and exciting place—people will want to help save it if they know how. As far as filming, we had some truly awesome luck for a first time try. We filmed macaws in the wild, red howler monkeys, blue crowned motmots, as well as encounters with crocs, anacondas, the floating forest, a nine foot boa constrictor, and even the elusive short eared dog was caught on tape. We also were able to capture poachers in action on more than one occasion. To read another interview about Paul Rosolie's discoveries in the Amazon: Secrets of the Amazon: giant anacondas and floating forests, an interview with Paul Rosolie As the largest mammalian predator in its range, the jaguar enjoys the top of the food chain. The presence of humans however forces this apex predator to become almost entirely nocturnal – making sightings almost impossible. Photo by Paul Rosolie. One of the rarest, and little known species in the Amazon, the short eared dog. Filming over four minutes of footage with the canine, the Junglekeeper Project may have recently filmed the most extensive video of this species to date. Still from video footage by Paul Rosolie. ![]() In healthy forest, herds of peccary occur in large numbers and are abundant. Knowing no fear of humans, this herd stands its ground hoping to drive away the photographer. Photo by Samuel Hanna. A poacher’s boat intercepted and trapped a herd trying to cross a river, killing as many as they could with machetes before our boat pushed them away. This photo is was taken while trying to rescue the exhausted and drowning individuals who remained. Photo by Edward Rosolie. . Peccary are the most persecuted of any species by hunters. Photo by Paul Rosolie. . ![]() Macaw feathers, caiman hides, tortoises and other animal parts surround this baby spider monkey on this poaching boat. Photo by Paul Rosolie. Some of the beautiful inhabitants of the Allegria, blue and yellow macaws. Photo by Paul Rosolie. ![]() River turtle eggs are collected by humans, reducing the number of this riverside species in many areas. On wild rivers these turtles line the banks – often with butterflies on their noses. Photo by Samuel Hanna. One of the most beautiful snake species, the rainbow boa. Photo by Gowri Varanashi. ![]() The galliwasp lizard is a perfect example of the rare and endemic (occurring nowhere else) species found in various regions of the Amazon. Photo by Emma Hume. One of the most heavily sought after fish in the Madre de Dios, the beautiful donsaya catfish, reaching lengths of four feet, is under tremendous pressure. Photo courtesy of Paul Rosolie. Deep in the jungle, stingray tracks line the soft sand on the wild banks of the Allegria. Photo by Paul Rosolie. An unidentified spider on a leaf. Photo by Paul Rosolie. ![]() An early morning view of deep jungle. Photo by Paul Rosolie.
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